#1025 Gods, guns and gays (Orlando Massacre Continued)

Air Date: 06-28-2016

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Today we take a look at the continued responses to the Orlando massacre encompassing arguments over islamophobia, homophobia and gun control legislation

Show Notes

Ch. 1: Opening Theme: A Fond Farewell - From a Basement On the Hill

Ch. 2: Act 1: "Let Us Vote": Rep. John Lewis Leads Historic Democratic Sit-in for Gun Control Legislation - @DemocracyNow - Air Date: 06-23-16

Ch. 3: Song 1: Fuck the NRA - Jamie Kilstein & The Agenda

Ch. 4: Act 2: Republican’s “Heart Has Changed" After Orlando Massacre - @theyoungturks - Air Date 06-18-16

Ch. 5: Song 2: Dreamtime - Uberzone

Ch. 6: Act 3: To Say or Not to Say "Radical Islam" - On the Media - Air Date: 6-17-16

Ch. 7: Song 3: Violent Days - RTZ

Ch. 8: Act 4: A lack of due process is equally wrong for travel and guns - @HumorlessQueers - Air Date 6-19-16

Ch. 9: Song 4: Human Rights - Friendlyness and the Human Rights

Ch. 10: Act 5: Breaking down the disingenuous arguments on both sides of the terror watchlist debate - @CitizenRadio - Air Date 6-22-16

Ch. 11: Song 5: Hey Ya - Vitamin String Quartet

Ch. 12: Act 6: Barbara Herr responding to 'thoughts and prayers' after Orlando massacre at LGBTQ club - @GAY_USAtv - Air Date 6-22-16

Ch. 13: Song 6: Malignant Flip - Tab and Anitek

Ch. 14: Act 7: Democratic Effort to Tie Gun Purchase to Terror Watchlist: A First Step or a Dangerous Precedent? - @DemocracyNow - Air Date: 06-23-16

Ch. 15: Song 7: Time for Action - Secret Affair

Ch. 16: Act 8: Orlando Shooter’s Lover Comes Forward - @theyoungturks - Air Date: 06-23-16


Ch. 17: Can we just talk a moment about gay bars as sanctuaries? - Adreana Langston

Ch. 18: Rape is not that complicated - Wade from Ft. Worth, TX

Ch. 19: Toxic masculinity meets a trans woman - Erin from Philadelphia

Ch. 20: Rape Culture Poetry Response

Voicemail Music: Loud Pipes - Classics

Ch. 21: Final comments in praise of things being complicated

Closing Music: Here We Are - Everyone's in Everyone

Produced by Jay! Tomlinson

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  • Vincent Block
    commented 2016-07-07 22:59:02 -0400
    Peter, it is totally permissible to criticize the ideas in religion, but a person’s religion isn’t the sum of their being. "And we want these people with these values to integrate into our society, but we can’t force them to give up any of these values, because that would be intolerant of us, right? " Those values you outline aren’t the values of most Muslims, just like they aren’t the values of most Christians, you point this out yourself kinda. All Abrahamic faiths have that rubbish in their religious texts, but we have no problems accepting Christians or Jews (and let us not forget, that we have plenty of right wing Christian violence as well). And yes, obviously we don’t need religion to be good people, and maybe people would be better without religion. But we don’t live in that world, we live in a world where people value their dumbass religions. So, whatever thing you are proposing when you say that you won’t tolerate the intolerant, imagine what concrete ideas you have in mind, and imagine how those policies would be carried out. I would wager that whatever the practical policy proposals are aren’t very good ones. It is fine to criticise religions in a theoretical sense or even in your personal relations, but concrete policy is a whole other bag of worms. That is the problem with Sam Harris and others that criticise Islam so uniquely. They start with the criticism, which is great, but then they issue vague statements and never finish by taking the next “what are you gonna do about it” step. That final step makes all the difference in the real world.
  • Elizabeth Truscott
    commented 2016-07-04 14:39:40 -0400
    Does being intolerant of intolerance solve anything? I hear, see, read quotes from pundits who tell us, according to their specialty, why the latest shooter(s) murdered a lot of people. Who cares? We need to be asking for solutions from these analysts and experts.
  • Peter Whitmore
    commented 2016-06-29 22:41:09 -0400
    I understand that these comments may be worded a bit harshly and can come across to some as confrontational, but watching all the politicians come out to raise their pet issues to blame for the latest mass shooting or bombing time and time again leaves me a little exasperated, and makes me wonder how many more innocent lives will have to die for someone else’s talking points, regardless of what the perpetrator said their actions were about.

    Does being intolerant of intolerance make someone a bigot?
  • Peter Whitmore
    commented 2016-06-29 21:25:51 -0400
    “But not all Muslims are like that!” — This is true, but if there are people that grew up to be fine, upstanding citizens with and without religious doctrine, did people really need religion in the first place to tell right from wrong? I can say the same thing about Christianity in the West as well.

    “But it’s part of their culture!” — Are all cultures sacred cows? You probably also believe that we live in a “rape culture” in the West. I personally don’t believe that’s true, but a far stronger case could be made for rape cultures in Islamic nations, where women’s testimonies are only given a fraction of the sway that men’s testimonies do. Do you want to integrate this kind of culture into our own?
  • Peter Whitmore
    commented 2016-06-29 21:11:57 -0400
    If we can assume that Omar Mateen was not affiliated with ISIS or any radical terrorists groups that he claimed to be acting on the behalf of, and was indeed acting alone, this leaves him as just an “ordinary” American Muslim acting on what the core tenets of his beliefs told him to do. We are making excuses for people that believe that women are second-class citizens, gays should be killed as an act of “compassion”, and the penalty for leaving this community as an apostate is death.
    And we want these people with these values to integrate into our society, but we can’t force them to give up any of these values, because that would be intolerant of us, right? Shall we be tolerant of the intolerant? Perhaps we should, because this is the only remaining culture in the world that will murder you for criticizing it. Just ask the surviving employees of Charlie Hebdo.
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