#1023 What drives hateful violence (Orlando Massacre)

Air Date: 06-21-2016

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Today we take a look at the myriad driving factors that can combine to drive a person to commit an act of violence such as the Orlando Massacre as well as a variety of reactions to the shooting

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Show Notes

Ch. 1: Opening Theme: A Fond Farewell - From a Basement On the Hill

Ch. 2: Act 1: This is not the first or last attack on the LGBTQ community but there is progress - Savage Love w/ @FakeDanSavage - Air Date 6-14-16

Ch. 3: Song 1: Tolerance - Michael Franti And Spearhead

Ch. 4: Act 2: The problematic media coverage of the Orlando shooting - CounterSpin (@FAIRmediawatch) - Air Date 6-17-16

Ch. 5: Song 2: Make the news - Stephanie Haseman

Ch. 6: Act 3: What to label the Orlando shooting and why - @TalkPoverty Radio - Air Date 6-17-16

Ch. 7: Song 3: Call it what it is - Ben Harper & The Innocent Criminals

Ch. 8: Act 4: LGBTQ community not allowing their pain to be turned into demonization of others - @HumorlessQueers - Air Date 6-19-16

Ch. 9: Song 4: Happiness - Pet Shop Boys

Ch. 10: Act 5: Trans and Queer Latinxs Respond to #PulseOrlando Shooting - Familia:TQLM - Air Date: 6-13-16

Ch. 11: Song 5: Sopra un aereoplanino di carta - Menion

Ch. 12: Act 6: Jorge Gutierrez from the Trans Queer Liberation Movement on the Orlando shooting - CounterSpin (@FAIRmediawatch) - Air Date 6-17-16

Ch. 13: Song 6: Liberate - Buguinha Dub

Ch. 14: Act 7: If what they say about the LGBT community were true then violence would seem justified - @TalkPoverty Radio - Air Date 6-17-16

Ch. 15: Song 7: Words Are Seeds - My Gay Banjo

Ch. 16: Act 8: Wrongheadedly playing right into the hands of terrorist groups - @HumorlessQueers - Air Date 6-19-16

Ch. 17: Song 8: Hello bonjour - Michael Franti And Spearhead

Ch. 18: Act 9: The toxic hatred that led to the Orlando shooting - Bradcast from @TheBradBlog - Air Date 6-13-16

Ch. 19: Song 9: Oxygen - Willy Mason

Ch. 20: Act 10: When It Comes to Orlando Massacre, Domestic Violence Is the Red Flag We Aren't Talking About - @DemocracyNow - Air Date 06-14-16


Ch. 21: Why we shouldn't be violent - Al from Seattle

Ch. 22: Classism needs to be considered alongside racism and sexism - Alyson from Colorado

Ch. 23: A Trans Latinx listener finding a feeling of power

Voicemail Music: Loud Pipes - Classics

Ch. 24: Final comments on toxic masculinity and a request for your thoughts on the same

Closing Music: Here We Are - Everyone's in Everyone

Produced by Jay! Tomlinson

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Showing 4 reactions

  • Jay Tomlinson
    commented 2016-06-24 21:29:29 -0400
    I’m having trouble following what you’re saying. Some progressives are prejudiced against majority groups and are doing what about it? I thought that those who use the term “regressive” as a pajorative were describing people as being so favorable to muslims that they end up practically apologizing for some particularly regressive cultural norms that progressives would normally condemn. I haven’t heard of anyone who could be described that way as trying to pass discriminatory laws oppressive to any majority groups.
  • Peter Whitmore
    commented 2016-06-24 20:36:32 -0400
    I don’t believe that it’s right to paint all individuals in a group with the same categorization brush either, as groups and demographics are arbitrary constructs we use to classify large masses of people out of convenience, overlooking the diversity of each individual within the group.
    The problem comes when people judge and condemn others simply for belonging to a group that may have done some bad things in the past, employing guilt by association. Are all Christians guilty of persecuting gays? Are all whites guilty of persecuting blacks? Are all men guilty of persecuting women? Are all Muslims guilty of terrorism? I would think not, but there are an alarming number of people identifying as “progressives” that seem to be making more and more of these blanket judgments and rallying to pass discriminatory laws based on this prejudice. Many have taken to calling these radical progressives the “regressive left” based on these values. Being prejudiced towards dominant and majority groups is still prejudice.

    As someone that would prefer to judge ideas rather than the individuals and groups that hold them, I would be very interested in seeing you compile an episode on these sorts of issues someday.
  • Jay Tomlinson
    commented 2016-06-23 16:12:57 -0400
    The main reason it’s easier to criticize the dominant culture (Christians in the US) is that there’s not a tendency to paint all Christians with the same brush. When statements are made about minorities by race, religion, etc. it is much more likely that people will interpret those statements as being universally applied to every individual in that group. Therefore, I think it’s perfectly OK to criticize dangerous beliefs, such as homophobia, regardless of who holds those beliefs but I think it’s necessary to go out of our way to clarify that those criticisms should not be applied with a broad brush when speaking of minority groups. It would be fine to make that same clarification when speaking of a dominant group, it’s just not usually necessary.

    This episode did make reference to toxic religiosity and that goes for whichever religion plays a role in pushing hateful ideologies.
  • Peter Whitmore
    commented 2016-06-21 23:29:29 -0400
    There seems to be a strange double standard at play that it’s okay to criticize Christians for their homophobic beliefs and doctrines, but criticizing Islam for the exact same thing gets you branded as an “Islamophobe”, perhaps simply because Muslims are a minority demographic in America, and inexplicably become a “protected race”, even though Islam is an ideology, and not a race. Omar Mateen claimed to have done what he did specifically because of his Islamic beliefs, and the Koran makes its prejudice against homosexuality very unambiguous in its writings. While I do not blame all Muslims for Mateen’s massacre and every terrorist attack, there is a number of fundamental problems at the heart of the Islamic doctrine itself that must be addressed if there is to be any peace in the Middle East or the rest of the world at all.
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