Air Date: 4–29-2026

Today we explore the extraordinary clash between Pope Leo XIV and the Trump White House — a feud involving military threats, medieval papal history, and an American-born pope who refuses to back down. We'll hear why analysts say MAGA's religiosity is pure aesthetic, and what that hollowness means for the millions of Americans still taking their faith seriously.

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I bravely resist the urge to reference episode 4 of Star Wars as we discuss A New Pope and his radical thinking about how not being a total dick is more Christ-like than, say, Michael Douglas' character in the movie Wall Street.